Is this a computer?

Published on Apr 11, 2018
What's a computer? With that simple line in a commercial, Apple infuriated everybody. In the premiere episode of Processor, Dieter Bohn asks why it sparked so many feelings. And also tries to answer the question. Subscribe: goo.gl/G5RXGs
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  • Surface Pro vs iPad Pro vs MacBook Pro vs Pixelbook: which computer would you choose to be your only computer for the next couple of years? - Dieter

    • Aaron Domanais a device that does work to save time

    • Aarib Anwar wow what a shame

    • Aaron Domanais yeah that is cool

    • The Verge what OS is after windows 10

    • Surface pro of course, no competition, love this thing

  • Samsung Galaxy notebook 9 pro

  • why not just make a ios/android/windows mode all in one ipad?

  • What are your thought on things like Samsung DeX? Take your phone with you, hook it up to a display and you have a window based Desktop that run off of your phone, It is still not there yet, but is it fly or die? Think of carrying your phone with you, then insert is into a laptop like formfactor and it is a laptop. Now connect it to your desktop work station and you have a desktop. I was curious to see what your thoughts are about that giving the processors in the phones keep getting powerful every year.

  • iPad pro

  • I would pick the surface although I would miss the IOS apps of the iPad.

  • I think Dieter loves windows because he's a Mac user. I'm a Windows user, and whenever I get overlapping windows, I immediately snap them side-by-side. That's also a Mac feature, but more importantly it's an iPad feature. While more functionality isn't a bad thing, I think having overlapping windows is overrated. It's nice for drag-and-drop, but that could be implemented (and is for legacy apps on Windows) between snapped side-by-side windows/applications.

  • The only one I wouldn't pick as my computer for sure is iPad. Not because of commercial. I herad of it for the very first time. But because I don't need overly expensive tablet. I need computer that gives me all the options. Not just only ones that are avalible on their sotre.

  • What’s a US-tv video?

  • I need a The Verge coffee mug and sticker.

  • I would say all of them would do good in the future just see

  • Although Windows store lacks the vast variety of apps and games like on the App store and Play store, but I will still definitely go for Surface pro because in my personal opinion, Windows is the best for work and it's store is also getting better over time. So yeah Surface pro all the way!

  • iPad Pro is innovative and futuristic

  • Wow, this was just a bunch of generic observations thrown together. What about your own take on where computers are going & what their future is actually likely to be? IMO, every person needs 2 computers- one for portable, convenient, quick tasks & functions. And the other for hard core, high intensity computing or processing purposes. Most ppl thus use a full fledged laptop as well as a smartphone. Nobody needs, wants or cares for a tablet because it doesn't do anything extra tha both the above category of devices can't do.

  • I am a apple fan but I recommend surface pro

  • Get a Windows laptop and get BlueStacks boom problem solved

  • I wouldn’t like my MacBook with a touchscreen, it’s just not meant to be

  • i think the suface pro running manjaro kde. cons of macines -pixelbook terible repairbility -iPad pro can't officaly turn of secure boot -pixelbook unstandard keyboard -macbook pro unstandard keyboard no touchscreen

  • What about the surface book?

  • This was a seriously enjoyable video to watch. Thank you for putting this series together.

  • surface book best of all worlds

  • I have them all except the MacBook Pro, so I don’t have to pick 😂😂😂😂

  • VISION: quantum computing gonna make these gadgets in your table especially "what's a computer? IPad" ; look like (Nokia 9910) in 2018. Seriously, Apple and all market companies knows that they're not ready to move us to the next generation of computing.

  • 3:34 Put the Mac aside... 4:25 MacBook Pro has pride of place in front of Dieter. That didn't last long...

  • I think iPad Pro actually! I've been growing in an iPad Mini and I can do mostly anything there... almost. As long as I can use my family's 10 year old Mac occasionally to compenste the lacks of the iPads, I'm fine: USB key support, printing without airprint, and especially: being able to have two windows of the same app! That's necessary for me to translate my novel and work on it from multiple angles. So why an iPad Pro? Well, I'm going into college and I want to go paperless and yes, the iPad Pro does this the best... by far.

  • Surface pro

  • As an illustrator, I would go for the Surface Pro. I can run full Windows apps without having to get out a drawing tablet. Btw no one can argue that the iPad Pro is a computer.

  • also "it has great apps!" is kind of disingenuous when 99% of apps are websites we could be opening in any browser ever, games which are arguably worse than PC or console counterparts, or cut-down versions of full-size desktop programs

  • the problem is that with the way it comes across, it's not philosophically asking "what /is/ a computer?" but rather it's quite literally asking "what's a /computer?/" as in "i've never heard of this before" they could've tweaked the line itself or asked her to deliver it differently to make it come across in another way, but as it stands? she just seems like some teen being mystified by the first time she ever saw a floppy disk in 2018. it just makes her look like an idiot

  • iPad Pro and Surface Pro (or OEM's) will dominate.

  • MacBook Pro

  • I wish Mr. Steve Jobs was alive.

  • Pixel is soon building it's own ecosystem like mac, i feel.

  • macbook or surface book, definitely not ipad pro or chromebook

  • Definitely the pixel book mmmf

  • Can I connect my sirface pro to a monitor using the surface dock and use it as a desktop without turning on the surface pro itself? Like in macbooks?

  • Macbook redesign with detachable screen (like surface book) with new macOS that can run iOS app kinda cool...

  • I am kinda old school in that my work can only be done at the location I work at and I have PC(s) for all my work tasks (I do product testing). So "my computer" is just for me outside of work. I could do what I most enjoy listen to my music library, manage my day, consume content and social media with either a chrome device or the iPad. My iTunes library is the easiest to maintain so the iPad pro would be my choice, but I would miss the customization of a PC or Android devices.

  • i run my small business on a chromebook ( asus c302 ) , and a new ( to me ) lg v20 phone. all of your options are simply to expensive for my needs. i expect to use the chromebook till google won't update it anymore, and the v20 till i can't buy replacment batteries for it. if money was no object, i would hire someone else to use whatever they wanted to get the job done.

  • Mac

  • The PixelBook is awesome so awesome you couldn't even say anything bad about it I would say PixelBook

  • Who would say, to me Star Trek's Communicator get it right decades ago... It's smartphones (eventually this name will simply change). We all carry computers on our pockets already. The rest will be connectable screens.

  • Being able to run full desktop apps allows far more flexibility in programming and makes it easier to make more varied and groundbreaking programs. You don't end up locked into a particular set of programming languages and a set structure of how to make your program and you have a much larger set of coding libraries that you can use to develop your programs with.

  • Boy! That last line was deep

  • I’d pick the Mac book Pro .. and I kinda wished that Apple would do a MACOSX version on iPad Pro .. I’d call my first born Tim if they ever did that 😂

  • Why is this demonitized?

  • This video is available all the time for public viewing because its loaded somewhere on some computer, no? :) Apple underestimate the power of the good old laptop.

  • everything been computers for years

  • My computer was built in 2016 XEON processor the guys who built it had already said we'd been talking about this while surface was still in beta mode ...........what happens after windows 10 they knew microsoft had no anticipation of building another os ???

  • I think it's funny how people seem to take a statement out of context or you could say that not everyone see's or hears things the same and should'nt PERCEPTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • She isn't saying "What's a computer" as in "What is the definition of a computer". She is supposed to genuinely not know what a computer is, which is why it is so stupid.

  • Computer is a electronic machine that works very fast, if new or without virus... Thanks to my 1st standard book for the answer

  • You said it wrong again. It's Pixel Chromebook.

  • Chrome books need to have any arm processor and an Intel processor and make them to laptops or a tablet and a laptop then you can have absolutely anything and everything.

  • The reason why I’m mad about that Apple iPad commercial isn’t because of what’s being said in the nuances of computing. It’s because she knows good and damn well what a computer is and that feels condescending and uppity.

  • The Surface Pro is the future of the computer. It is literally perfect.

  • Got my 2017 Macbook 12” brand new for $899 @BB. Dont tell me about single USB C because i dont care. Now i installed windows pro as well via bootcamp. I think im really happy with it.

  • when apple is gonna make a car... they will make a ad with somebody saying... whats a car

  • "I use the surface and I think it's apps suck" hahaha oh boy. This video was probably made with that sucky app Adobe Premiere and After Effects. I'm sure the iPad Pro and Pixelbook have much better versions! ....right? I just browsed through the top apps in iTunes, the vast majority of them are on Windows already. Really not sure what killer apps are on these mobile platforms that makes windows "suck". Any serious power user still needs Windows/OSX specifically because they have the best applications.

  • Apple = overrated LOL

  • give me a 90's ThinkPad with Arch and i3

  • Watch apple kill off all their laptops and force everyone to use and iPad pro 😂😂

  • Surface, handsdown

  • Your videos are always fantastic.Excellent production quality.

  • WhAt'S a CoMpUtEr???

  • Ok why only talk about apps. Mobile apps I'll pull my phone out for. It doesn't feel right using mobile programs on laptops. Mobile devices have apps that are simplified programs because they don't have the processing power of a computer. A computer has the same thing but the fully fledged program because it can run it. And you don't go to an app store for everything. Go to spotifys website to download it. Go to netflix.com to watch it. Computers use browsers. Phones use apps. Because apps are more simplistic and don't use much computing power. While the fully fledged site uses more computing power cause it can do more. Don't try to make laptops like mobile devices. Make mobile devices powerful like laptops. Or as laptops are also called. Computers. P.s. ipad pro you ain't a computer with that bs OS

    • Microsoft has made it even easier with Windows 10. Want Spotify? Go to the Microsoft Store. Want Netflix? Download it from the Microsoft Store. These apps will update automatically and can include more powerful features then what a web browser can offer. Chrome and Firefox will only output Netflix at 720p.

  • Why are you using varying degrees of trash for your comparisons?

  • Justin Long, where you at?!

  • MacBook. Do your job easily with great apps that run smoother than any other laptop, if u want to run windows you can and why would u want a touchscreen to have things done??

  • You do realise the ipad pro does multi-tasking right?

  • PWAs about to redefine windows

  • we all know a lot of people would choose surface pro or macbook over the ipad.

  • I think chromebooks are as close as any to the future of computing. I bought one in 2011. It really really sucked, so I tossed it aside for the macbook air 2013. In 2015 I bought a chromebook again and have used them as my only computer since then. I have owned all of the notable chromebooks at one time or another and am really hoping that they get even better soon. I am typing this on the pixelbook.

  • I have the iPad Pro 10.5

  • can't surface pro run web apps? I don't understand how this is chromebook's feature

  • T-these are just laptops, the worst at that

  • windows off course. All the sweet apps.

  • ็ีBrain is a kind of a powerful computer. And we don't think it a computer. Who design it? Great?

  • The surface book and I would miss out on the hing

  • Pixelbook cus of the whole new software being established that bridges chrome with android

  • okay, all this discussion is relevant. But did you think how the kids will actually CODE in the future? I mean, you don't even have a compiler in iPads or pixel books. You need an actual full desktop computer to proper code and compile an app that will run in this machines. So if the future of computer is something that is not self sufficient, I'm worried.

  • Surface pro

  • Definitely the iPad, it is very versatile and can run what I need great, US-tv, chrome, Etc and so many games, also there is lumafusion for light video editing

  • For productivity purposes like studying, writing, and simply multitasking I would go for a Mac, for the simple fact that you can install windows on a VM or as a separate bootable OS. I understand why these companies are pushing for touch screen, but I don't think everyone truly understands what they want. Personally I'd opt on going for two separate hardware pieces rather than a hybrid. But that's just me. I feel like as battery life goes macs really have an advantage, most affordable windows laptops run for about 6 hours max and that's just running web and video, not intensive rendering. I used to hate apple, but now that I'm older and I have seen what they both offer, I see the difference when you focus on details like making sure the hardware and software work well together, it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

  • Macbook. I'll miss the tablet mode....

  • tried replacing my notebook for an ipad twice and got back to full os systems. I don't think these devices are ready to replace our main computers just yet. they may even replace it well enough for most of your days, but eventually you'll need a windows or mac os system to get things done and it can be really frustrating not having it.

  • #iPad is the future of tech!

  • I love that commercial! It’s awesome!

  • Surface pro for sure

  • If Apple could make a hybrid tablet that switches between iOS and Windows, that would be a great idea, although Samsung tried it a while ago but with Android and Windows, so it wasn't as good as it could've been.

  • Can an iPad ever be a computer? If you want to transfer anything in and out of an iPad, you still need a proper laptop or a desktop with itunes, even with the use of clouds.

  • So What's a computer?

  • A smartphone is a computer. A tablet is a computer. A TV is a computer. A car is a computer. The problem is everything is a computer, but nothing could be called it that. Language evolves and with it, the word computer will lose its meaning as a "device that you run Windows desktop, Linux desktop or macOS on" and gets its original meaning once again as a device that performs computations. The former would be called, desktops, laptops, tabtops, convertibles, tablets, smartphones, TVs, smart TVs, cars, fridges, etc.

  • W10

  • I like the quality of MacBook but what I like is the freedom I have when I use the surfacebook it's super good.

  • The thing is if you update the surface to the normal windows you can make it dual boot with android of run it via nox app player

  • There is another core reason why people get angry at the ad - because of repeated failed predictions of one type of hardware replacing another, or "the death" of something. Let me tell you, I heard this story about traditional computers, specially desktops, going away multiple times. When laptops got cheaper, when netbooks became popular, when the first iPad models came out, when smartphones exploded in popularity. Every step of the way there seems to be some need for the industry, media and blogs to proclaim that the old paradigm is coming to an end and that we'd move to something new in just a few years time. This doesn't happen because that's not how societies work. It takes a long time to replace a well estabilished paradigm. Yes, some kids don't even know what a computer is, yes, people have been using smartphones and tablets more than ever, yes, there is some work towards usability and whatnot. But kids have different needs than adults, none of those are full replacements for ye olde desktop, and different people across different cultures, different age groups and different jobs will have different needs because that's just how things are. And then there's another myth or misconception that I find in a similar frequency with that of the paradigm shift thing: a major assumption often portrayed by media, specialists, techies and whatnot of the fabled majority for which an underpowered device does "just enough". I think there is a huge misrepresentation on actual people's needs, wants, and overall ease of use that is often overestimated and understood poorly. Let me expand and explain this better - say you are the tech guy in the family in charge of getting new hardware for your mom, uncle, or sister who doesn't know a whole lot about computers. Lots of people will tell you to get an iPad, a basic Macbook, a Chromebook, a basic laptop, etc - because it has a browser, a word processor and some other basic functions so it should be enough. This recommendation more often than not backfires. It sometimes works, yes, but the vast majority of cases fail, and there's a good reason for that. Because it's not only about the needs (mail, word processor, browser) - it's the environment, the room for growth and the people who will be there to tech more, help troubleshoot, and just know what to do. See, you have to consider the whole, not particulars. For instance, you can get a mac for your uncle or whatever because he has troubles with updates, security, blah blah and he doesn't game, and he only needs this or that functionality - but if he's inserted in an environment where people who are going to help him use the device, troubleshoot, and teach more stuff are all using Windows machines - he'll get stuck and won't be able to use the mac at all. So you just spent a bunch of money for nothing. You get a tablet for your mom because it looks better and has better usability, but if she's already used to doing all her stuff in a desktop environment, it might not work for her. You get a chromebook for a bunch of students that up to now have been using even Android tablets, which is close enough but not quite, you might end up with a failure there. See what I mean? What people currently need a device for and what they do on a computer are not the only factors. Familiarity with interface, what people around them are currently using, potential for future usage and learning new stuff... those all can be as important if not more important.

  • I would ⛏ the surface because it just worth 2700 USD, so cheap! Ah and I would miss Ubuntu.

  • I would choose the IPad Pro, it is incredibly powerful for the price and the Apple ecosystem is unbeatable if you ask me, and the Apps, oh the glorious Apps, I’m am continually astonished with the power of IPad Apps. A few years ago I would have chosen the Surface, but ever since the IPad Pro and all of the development of pro level apps for it I gotta go Ipad. I’m dumbfounded on what you might be smoking to have brought Chrome OS to this fight by the way.....

  • iPad pro