Is this a computer?

Published on Apr 11, 2018
What's a computer? With that simple line in a commercial, Apple infuriated everybody. In the premiere episode of Processor, Dieter Bohn asks why it sparked so many feelings. And also tries to answer the question. Subscribe: goo.gl/G5RXGs
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  • Surface Pro vs iPad Pro vs MacBook Pro vs Pixelbook: which computer would you choose to be your only computer for the next couple of years? - Dieter

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    • MacBook Pro. 100%, at least for now.

    • MacBook Pro. Although it lacks touch but it's good allrounder. I just wish it gets lighter and thinner like iPad pro

  • im not that picky... as long as i can develop games and my steam library works properly... and has Windows installed... oh and a 1080 gtx in it... and has 2 27" monitors with a natural keyboard and a good mouse... but other than that im not picky.... oh and has good speakers and a good gaming headset... oh and is attached to a projector... so i can play casual games with friends or watch movies... but other than that im really not picky... anything is a computer especially a ipad or whatever floats your boat... i mean it does compute stuff right?

  • Would have hit liked if you'd actually stated your preferred daily driver for your specific use case...

  • I feel like Lenovo is the closest to a fairly well rounded go anywhere do anything convertible laptop. The Yoga 920 would fit right in with this vid and the unique feature sets on devices like their Yoga Book (best modern take on a netbook) shows they are capable of thinking outside the aluminium box.

  • MacBook for now iPad the moment it crosses into the truly “professional” threshold.

  • Clearly no one here plays games on their computer cause none of these would work at all

  • I would choose surface pro. It may not have the best apps but it is more flexible to use. I can write on it, run legacy apps, type on it, and connect it to most if not all the peripherals out there. I will miss the great apps in IOS and the elegance of MAC OS, though.

  • It is only a windows computer which can do MORE than iPad + MacBook + PixelBook could do COMBINED. Play games like a console, Note taking/ Entertainment/ web surfing like an iPad, Runs android apps with BlueStacks like a PixelBook and Can edit photos/ videos/ coding like a MacBook. New windows machine even have battery upto 12 hours continuous useage FYI thats more than an iPhone's continuous useage time

  • Would pick the macbook or surface for the full experience. Probably the surface so I could draw as well and can even do some light gaming from my steam library (haven't touched a mobile game in 7-8 months)

  • I pick the MacBook Pro.

  • This is probably dig at Satya nadella, he mentioned ipads are not "real computers" 😀

  • Instead of buying my children tablets, I'm going to spend that money on fully-featured Ubuntu laptops, using the savings to massively upgrade their chipset. While the other kids are playing flappy-bird 2020, my kids will be rendering their homebrew VR games in real time.

  • the surface pro for sure it can run steam games and other hardcore gaming it has full office and i can use it as a fully functional tablet I wish it was only cheaper

  • The Surface wins, no questions asked. Windows with its both touch and regular desktop interfaces blows everything else out of the water. Mac isn't open enough, Chrome apps aren't versatile enough, and the iPad is running a mobile OS.

  • why does non of these visions include any kind kf freedom? They all feel like thightly controlled kindergardens. And I am nit even talking linux level of fredom, though chrome os is build on top of the linux kernel. want to change the default ui. you are out of luck. even android allowed that. moreover they are very limited tk what they can do either by computing power and or the operating system. 3d animation, coding, more or less professional video editing, gaming. none of them can really deliver.

  • I like each one, if I had to choose only one I'd go for the Surface. I have Stockholm Syndrome for MSFT 😱

  • Raspberry Pi

  • iOS in iPad is like an immature baby sitter baby sitting a mature one

  • whats a computer?

  • Sold my MacBook Pro and have been using an iPad Pro and Samsung DeX. So far haven't ran into to many issues. 👍

  • What's a computer? A COMPUTER IS WHERE YOU CAN PLAY THE SIMS, ROLLER COASTER TYCOON, ZOO TYCOON, AND GTA 5!!! I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PLAY ALL THAT IF MY COMPUTER WAS AN IPAD PRO!!!

  • Damn, I want those Verge stickers

  • MacBook pro, I would miss taking notes with a stylus but other than that couldn't care less hahaha

  • A computer is a piece of electronics that follows the Von Neumann architecture

  • Device: MacBook Pro Weak Point: Touch Screen, apps

  • It’s an IPad .

  • As a lonely computer, I´d pick the surface any day. I need to get things done and windows still has the best software library available. I´d really miss on media consumtion though, but for that you can always rely on a smartphone.

  • why do we have to decide, they can happily coexist

  • Imperfections are a marketing choise! New chipset allow to Imagine an iPad pro running osx or a right mix of iOS and osx ... But the choise is that you Need to buy an iPad and a MacBook ... But this is Just an example!

  • I don’t disagree Apple needs to fix its notifications. It’s bad. iOS 11’s might be the worst iteration. I think, if I may request, is for The Verge to do a report with some devs giving better solutions. Mock-ups if you will. I’d love to hear what the perfect hypothetical notification scenario is, because what iOS delivers concurrently isn’t it.

  • FUSHIA!@!!!!

  • Fortunately for me all the apps I need are already on the iPad. Final draft for my screenwriting, US-tv, twitter, facebook. And the Apple Pencil is great for taking notes when I'm at work. I don't have access to legacy apps, but I don't really need to either.

  • id pick the I pad pro. Its obvious apple is trying to kill the Mac, and I get more then twice as much done on a Mac then a windows machine. There is something about the way apple designs things that is common sense to me but maybe not everyone. Maybe a Mac could streamline it even more. I would need a better discord app and torrent client though. I also would miss all my steam games I never play ;)

  • The iPad Pro can Multitask 3 apps at once, quit lying 🤥 boi

  • I'd like a macbook pro as my only computer... Because its a full OS...

  • What makes Ipad "not" worthy the title of a Computer is the same as It's inventor told us 8 years ago. We don't concider our phones a "computer" it's a phone. we dont call our PC or MAC for phones (you can use them to make phonecalls). The iPad was a device that was right between these two devices Phones and Computers. Steve Jobs also said that Software on a phone is like baby software. Thats the point. It can "sort of" do the job a Computer can. Ipad runs photoshop. But MAC and PC run "the real photoshop" Ipad version is just a baby version. The Surface line run the same windows as the most extreme PC bnuyers can build. The Macbook runs the same version of OSX as the MAC PRO. This is what makes people angry about calling ipad a Computer It's not "worthy" of that title, just like a Aixam Coupe S is not a car it's a quadricycle with a topspeed of 28mph thas is alowed to be driven by teenagers with Moped license. Theoreticly Ipad is a Computer, so is things like Gameboy, Android weare, Applewathc, Ti 86 calculator, almost all cars from 2010. Does we concider any of this devices computers? NO. The first Ipads couldn't even be started without a PC or mac to sync with itunes, you still have to use Itunes to move things from the ipad. When the iPad pro is connected to a mac, the ipad is the slave. Same thing goes for the Surface PRO.

  • Surface pro bridges the gap between present and future. Maybe the world is not prepared for the future that Apple wants

  • If I have to pick one, it will definately be surface pro. I am a business man so I need Excel with VBA macros and an SQL database. Chrome OS, Android and iOS have Excel but no VBA and well SQL databases on these platforms suck. Further, i am hobby photographer and I need Photoshop. The Photoshop on iOS and Android is still not there yet. The biggest caveat I have with iOS and Android is that I am limited to the respective app stores. With windows, you are open to buy software from millions of software companies and install them on your computer directly. For some this freedom is daunting but I honestly love it. With Chrome OS, web apps are still not as powerful as the mainstream desktop apps. However, I still believe web apps are the future!

  • Out of these four? For sure the Macbook pro. Just install a couple VMs and you got yourself an Apple laptop, a windows machine, and an Android experience all in one

  • Surface pro. More legacy oriented with a modern look and feel. Also love its pen integration.

  • I want to wait and see how MS is oing to use his graph and new privacy law in windows to evolve microtrageting of users and give the information that they want, Google has done well here and it's getting evolving every year.

  • Surface Pro. Why? It's a computer.

  • Well for me it is the Surface Book I have had it for about a year and I dont think I am missing out on anything the only complaint I might have is that I can not just take the tablet with me with a surface pro style keyboard case that would be nice. But honestly I love it

  • I use the 2015 dell XPS 15 and i think that’s the best laptop around

  • I love the iPad, never had a Chromebook, but I prefer a normal laptop (with Windows, MacOs or Linux). But, that's 'cause it fits my needs better.

  • I'd say Pixelbook, because I haven't had the need for legacy apps for a while, and because I'm used to the Android ecosystem. Also, I want to try out Chrome OS, and see it evolve (until Fuchsia comes along). As far as what I'd miss out on, well maybe the legacy apps, but, again, I haven't been using any. Maybe Sims, but it's better if I don't play it, because I need to be a responsible adult.

  • Cloudready by Neverware has this Chrome option on some Intel devices with Windows but are talking about discontinuing it due to Windows 10 updates corrupting the system.

  • Apple needs to make a device that can dual boot in Mac os and IOS with a touch screen 2 in one

  • I would pick the Surface pro, because of how we need the Windows ecosystem as a student.

  • Macbook Pro. Miss out on nothing.

  • hey guys, you know this add you all hate? i LOVE it! *big smug arrogant troll smile* wow, youre really in touch with end users and have really relevant commentary for us! NOT! lol

  • MacBook Pro. Touch bar is a gimmick but macOS is great and nothing beats the clamshell form factor.

  • The Windows surface. I would pick the iPad but it can’t run full desktop versions of apps

  • Surface pro all the way , the only tablet who can drive a 43" display @4k60fps via mini display port.

  • If I had the money, I would buy the Surface Pro (8GB 256GB). I know, the lack of apps is a pain, but therefore I can then use my phone that has the apps. I tried the MacBook, I really love their GUI, even more that the one from Windows, but I'm missing some simple things that made me switch back. In case I want the Google apps, I just use Chrome!

  • What is computing?

  • Surface Pro. Period. This video is as ANNOYING as that Apple commercial...and those Apple "magical" bs commercials. 🙄🤔🤬

  • Definitely Dells XPS 15 (2017)

  • And I still use Windows 7 on my Desktop PC....

  • I want either a new Macbook Pro or the iPad Pro with a keyboard and pencil. My MBP's screen is cracked, so it's hooked up to this external monitor and is no longer portable. I love my iPad Mini 4, but it's small. I am now trying to choose between an iPad Pro and a Macbook Pro, 'cuz I really am all about Apple. I wish they would seriously upgrade the Air. I don't want to buy an outdated computer, no matter how cool and light it is. Lol.

  • I'd pick the Pixelbook, I owned a Macbook in the past and i have an ipad mini 4, but right now for what I do a chromebook is all the computer I need at the moment. I don't play PC games i have an XB1 for gaming, I don't do any video editing or picture editing or music. But that's most consumers, so if your ingrained in a certain ecosystem I think that is going to be the deciding factor for most people.

  • Easy, pixelbook

  • According to Wikipedia, "A computer is a device that can be instructed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations automatically. Modern computers have the ability to follow generalized sets of operations, called programs. These programs enable computers to perform an extremely wide range of tasks."

  • The answer is 3D Holographics technology.

  • Which to use? My needs aren't driven by OS preference, it's storage and access to that storage. Storage is cheap but not on a tablet. Unfortunately Tablets don't have much local storage and access to cloud based storage isn't ubiquitous, yet. Offline / Online?. I agree that a touchscreen is a non negotiable, as is a keyboard. I have owned a computing device since 1980 and screen quality and storage have, almost, always been an issue, not input. Consequently, today I have a Windows work station (8tb), Yoga 2 Pro (1tb), iPad (512), Android tablet. Devices seem to be designed for work or consumption but rarely both. One device still won't do it all, but for work a desktop still always does the job

  • People hate that line because it is condescending. Of course she knows what a computer is (where it not the iPad can actually replace the PC/Laptops is irrelevant).

  • As a developer having a full desktop operating system is a requirement. I love my MacBook, the lack of touch screen is kinda dumb but I don't really care much since the trackpad is so good. You could almost make things work on a chrome book or ios device, just working mostly on a remote server. But the convenience of having a local machine that can run whatever code I need natively is huge. Also I agree, windows are invaluable, especially once you start working on more than one screen.

  • Easy. Surface Pro or better still a Surface Book. I haven't tried a Pixelbook, but have used several Chromebooks and they suck. And talk about unreliable. My daughter has to have one for school and EVERY kid has gone through at least 2 in less than 2 years. iPad Pro, the full size one, I'd like as a mobile device, but not as a "my-only-one" computer ... until Apple starts playing nice with EVERYONE else. As a feat of engineering every Windows PC is 100 times any apple product. Imagine where we'd be if Microsoft had said, "Oh, and you can only use one cpu, and one graphics card, and one disk, and one screen ... oh and only if you buy it all from us."

  • A physical keyboard will always be faster than a touch screen keyboard. Whatever they do in the future it has to stay with a proper clamshell design and a physical keyboard. This is why I'm not considering an ipad or a surface.

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  • I have an iPad Pro 10.5, but I also have a Surface Book. I have the iPad because it is pretty much the best tablet you can get, and I use it as a tablet (ie no keyboard). My Surface Book is for the idea that I already have a tablet, so I need something that is laptop first. The macbook is the least evolved.

  • My choice will be Surface Pro and I typed this from Surface Pro 4 with dock and monitor/keyboard/mouse. :)

  • I think the reason "what's a computer?" enrages so many people, is because it portrays the next generation as ignorant with no knowledge of how things used to be. You see it all the times on the internet, that this behaviour makes people angry. And I think the reason why this is the case is because it tells you that all your experiences are forgotten and that makes you feel like a part of your identity gets stolen or being ignored, i.e. what you are doesn't matter and that gets people angry.

  • I have the answer: It's a Windows laptop!!!

  • Super consise 👏👏👏. I figured what I needed years ago & picked the iPad for it. It's does 95% of what I need & I'll only be missing creating graphically-detailed presentations coz let's face it, all iPad presentation apps are dookie. iPad it is for me as the main driver.

  • Surface Pro-like devices (I use a Galaxy Book) are great, until you need lots of processing power. I use one in class as a notebook with a Staedtler Noris Digital pen - it's great and one by one people in my class are getting their own Surface-like devices.

  • I’d go wth the surface pro.

  • Surface pro

  • ipad pro + smart keyboard vs macbook air? i have both but i would prefer macbook air..

  • The guy who hates everything loves that commercial....

  • iPad Pro. I am missing a real keyboard for now. But I'm not missing much because besides my video editing I havent really used my iMac unless it's to watch videos. It's why I bought an iPad Pro instead of a new computer.

  • Surface PRO - is the king! Using it about 4 years (pro3 then pro4)

  • What's a subscribe button?

  • SHE KNOWS DAMN WELL WHAT A COMPUTER IS DON'T TRY TO ACT DUMB. Its like asking "What kind of sandwhich are you eating?" And she saids "Whats a sandwhich?"

  • I’d pick the MacBook Pro out of pure necessity. The minute final cut and full adobe products come to iPads, I’m done with laptops. Also I need some kind of flexible high speed I/o. Like dual thunderbolt 3 or something. lighting ports are silly.

  • As always, the answer is... it depends😂

  • Surface Pro

  • Is this a joke?

  • "the iPad pro runs mobile apps" Ummm... The pixelbook runs mobile apps too. In windows. Why are you saying that only the iPad Pro does that?

  • Can it run Crysis?

  • Windows 10 auto updates suck! update to slow up your pc

  • f keys > touchbar

  • All those stickers on the devices drive me nuts!

  • Umm. Why do you make surface's app to be its limiting factor? If anything, it should be its strength. I use all 4 platforms. I never considered app to be sp's weakness.

  • The laptop manufacturers thinned down to much! I like my older 17 inch laptop! Windows now wants to be Apple iOS! Ick I own a iPad and it could never Replace my laptop! Impossible! Printing from my iPad to my HP printer/fax/scanner is a nightmare!

  • Is it an electronic that can process and store information? Then yes. It is a computer.

  • Probably MacBook or Surface…

  • Central Processing Unit CPU. Bytes hardware sosftware And me?!

  • A computer is a thing that has an interface and performs any task using an input (digital or physical) Also, I like the pixelbook

  • People don't like the line because they don't like being old